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#124601

Re: ¿Qué sucederá después de la inflación?

Bravooo!!!

Así es esto nos guste o no jejeje

Mientras un país tenga:

  • Moneda de reserva mundial
  • Deuda emitida en su propia divisa
  • Control de su divisa
  • Y el extra de que muchos quieren invertir ahí y/o compren su deuda

Entonces, tal y como dices, es un riesgo apostar en su contra.

Se habla mucho de depositar confianza, pero nadie dice qué interés te pagan

#124602

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Chinese billionaires Jack Ma and Joe Tsai have pledged chunks of their combined $35bn stake in ecommerce group Alibaba in exchange for significant loans from investment banks, company documents show.

The share pledges, made to banks including UBS, Credit Suisse, Goldman Sachs and others, were undertaken by offshore companies controlling more than half of the two billionaires’ stakes in Alibaba, which totalled 5.8 per cent as of December. 

Share pledging, whereby banks accept stock as collateral for loans while the borrower retains ownership of the shares, is risky and most US companies limit its use by executives. Any forced selling of pledged stock can exacerbate the fall of a company’s share price. This can be precipitated by margin calls, when borrowers must pay back loans from brokers or forfeit stock.


“You’d want to know what the potential impact is if there was a forced sale,” said Nigel Stevenson, an analyst at Hong Kong-based research firm GMT Research, on the practice of share pledging.

But while US companies are required to disclose share pledges by executives — as Elon Musk at Tesla, the electric carmaker, has done — foreign groups listed there, such as Alibaba, are under no obligation to do so. 

The documents seen by the Financial Times did not disclose the amounts of Ma and Tsai’s pledges but the pair have repeatedly turned to borrowing against their stock since Alibaba listed in the US in 2014. 

Ma and Tsai, Alibaba’s two largest individual shareholders, have used the loans to unlock vast personal fortunes tied up in the group’s shares. 

Global banks have extended a wide variety of credit to Ma and Tsai. Tsai’s Gulfstream 650ER private jet is mortgaged to Credit Suisse. The Swiss bank, which brought Alibaba to market, also extended credit during the IPO run-up to an offshore shell company later linked to Ma’s purchase of a lavish house in Hong Kong’s elite Peak district and a new plane the same model as Tsai’s. 

Alibaba said Ma “and his affiliates” currently did not have any loans outstanding collateralised by Alibaba shares while Tsai’s loans outstanding backed by shares were “easily manageable” with “prudent loan-to-value ratios to provide [a] substantial cushion against triggering a margin call”.

The company said pledging shares for loans was part of “ordinary financial planning to provide liquidity and diversification without having to sell shares in Alibaba”.

Ma stepped down as executive chair of Alibaba in 2019 while Tsai remains executive vice-chair.


Web of offshore companies 


Ma and Tsai’s interests in Alibaba are held mainly through five offshore companies: JC Properties, JSP Investment, Parufam, PMH Holding and APN Ltd. 

APN has made the biggest known single pledge of Alibaba stock at 400m shares. But rather than in exchange for a loan, this was part of guarantees made to Japan’s SoftBank and Yahoo after Ma carved out Alibaba’s payments unit Alipay — now part of his fintech Ant Group — from the ecommerce company.

Ma’s wife Cathy Ying Zhang, who has taken Singaporean citizenship, has been instrumental in his dealings. Records show that two offshore holding companies of which Zhang is the sole director, JSP Investment and JC Properties, hold 60 per cent of the couple’s Alibaba stake. 

Altogether, Zhang’s two holding companies for Alibaba shares have made more than a dozen asset pledges to investment banks for loans extended to a web of offshore companies. 


In addition, Zhang is the sole shareholder of a Hong Kong company Ma used to buy a château and vineyards in France and has power over the well-endowed Jack Ma Philanthropic Foundation, business records show. She has also signed off on cheap loans from Goldman Sachs to Enbao Asset Management, Ma’s family office.

In one deal, an investment in a Chinese online real estate platform in 2015 that was orchestrated by Enbao, Ma used two offshore holding companies to contribute $20m. One was BVI-based Rainbow Zone Enterprise, which contributed $10m while at the same time taking a loan from Swiss bank UBS that was collateralised against unspecified securities pledged to the bank by JSP Investment. 

On one day in 2019, the couple set up three shell companies, Miracle Orchid Investment, Rising Orchid Investment and Winning Orchid Investment. Three months later they received loans backed by JSP Investment’s assets.

The records seen by the FT made clear that Alibaba’s American Depositary Shares had been pledged for loans from Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, while Goldman referred to pledged American Depositary Shares, and UBS reported pledged “securities” and other assets. 

BVI-based Diamond Key Worldwide, another company Zhang controls, has received four separate loans from UBS. Last year, the company’s Chinese subsidiary bought a Rmb35m ($5.4m) piece of land in Hangzhou, where Alibaba is based, to develop for educational purposes.


Unlocking liquidity without alarming markets


Bankers say stock pledges are a common method for Chinese executives to raise cash without losing control of their companies or sending negative signals to the market by selling their shares.

“It’s a really good business for banks, it feeds a lot of people,” said one former banker. “These founders are asset rich but cash poor.” 

The documents show many of the share and other asset pledges of Tsai, Ma and his wife Zhang remained in place as of January, even as they have started to sell down their Alibaba shares. 


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Ma and his wife have cashed out an estimated $11.4bn of stock since Alibaba floated in New York, with the majority sold starting in 2017. His charitable foundation has sold another $4.1bn. Tsai has sold an estimated $5.4bn. 

Alibaba said Ma and Tsai had owned “the company’s stock for 22 years and continue to have significant holdings in Alibaba, which make up the majority of their wealth”.

A former English teacher, Jack Ma is one of China’s best-known entrepreneurs, co-founding Alibaba with Tsai in 1999 before building a fortune estimated by Bloomberg at $49.9bn.

Late last year, however, he largely disappeared from public view after Beijing began a crackdown on Ant Group, the fintech Ma carved out of Alibaba in 2011. 

Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and UBS declined to comment. 

Additional reporting by Hudson Lockett and Joe Leahy in Hong Kong





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#124604

Re: ¿Qué sucederá después de la inflación?

El problema de la divisa china es que no tiene profundidad de Mercado, es decir, no pueden venderse y comprarse miles de millones porque ni siquiera tiene la capacidad y volumen.  El Mercado de bonos americanos es el más profundo y liquido del mundo, eso es una de las variables importantes que le dan el estatus de divisa de reserva.

Los mercados mas cercanos serían Japón y el Europeo, pero aun así están lejos del americano. Para que China logré esa profundidad faltan muchos muchos muchos años. Y más con las actitudes dictatoriales que tiene. 

Muchos, por cuestiones personales y sesgos, no aceptan a USA como la divisa de reserva o la quieren quitar. Pero la realidad es que cuando hay pánico todos corren hacia el dólar, ya sea por la profundidad de su mercado o porque saben que la FED actúa mas rápido y es más promercado o porque la capacidad de USA para endeudarse es mucho mayor que la del resto de países o por las líneas de crédito que la FED da a diestra y siniestra al resto de bancos centrales, etc.

Esto es casi un reflejo. Y quitar los reflejos del comportamiento masivo tarda muchos muchos años.

Del resto de las cuestiones creo que @geoff007 ya te las ha explicado.

Solo añado que el miedo al tapering ya existió hace unos años y no pasó nada. Y que todos los miedos y preocupaciones que comentas también ya se han dado. De hecho dos bloggers por aquí subieron a la fama precisamente por recalcar esos miedos, pero lo que nunca hicieron fue decir que no se habían hecho realidad.

Y es que siempre suena mas intelectual y seductor cualquier argumento bajista porque estamos diseñados para prestarle mayor atención al miedo y a la incertidumbre. Está bien, eso nos ha hecho sobrevivir desde hace miles de años, pero ahora las cosas son mas complejas.

Se habla mucho de depositar confianza, pero nadie dice qué interés te pagan

#124605

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Exacto, trabajo inteligente. 

Muchos contunden trabajar duro y de forma exhaustiva, pero ineficiente.

Hay que trabajar de forma eficiente
#124606

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

:o
Ha crecido desde la última vez que lo revisé el año pasado
Pero solo es el 5%

La verdad no es mucho. Me preocuparía que fuera mas. Tal vez si pasa del 7%

Gracias!!!


#124607

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Como la Oficina del Español de Madrid, que genera 75.800 euros anuales a su director de forma eficiente.

Perdón por el off topic, no me he podido resistir 🙏
#124608

Re: Cobas AM: Nueva Gestora de Francisco García Paramés

Lo digo sin ninguna base y apelando a mi intuición que suele fallar pocas veces. Me parece que no va a haber superciclo en los barquitos o no al menos en los de la famiglia.

Me cuesta creer que entre dinero entre en éste tipo de empresas teniendo a los supergigantes tecnológicos americanos que son empresones y están ganando dinero a espuertas. 

Mientras la FED sostenga los índices americanos, los barcos no suben y parece que tenemos sostén a largo plazo.
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