Criticad mi cartera

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Criticad mi cartera
Criticad mi cartera
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Es difícil hacer una critica a tu cartera cuando lo mas obvio que se puede decir (Sobreponderación en RV emergente) ya lo has comentado tu. Por lo demás, la cartera es estupenda.

Puestos a decir algo, los fondos en que divisas están? A largo plazo yo creo que es importante diversificar en diferentes divisas, no?

Y luego, ya que tienes tanta exposición a emergentes vía RV, porque no combinarlo con RF?

A tan largo plazo me gustan también algún fondo centrado en consumo para emergentes, aprovechando el aumento de la clase media de estos países, te lo has planteado? A mi me gusta el Morgan Stanley Global Brands, por ejemplo.

Y fondos de gestión alternativa? Que opinas de ellos?

Para cuando nos desvelas tus posiciones en acciones? jeje



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A ver si hablamos con propiedad porque aquí nadie ha puesto en cuestión la capacidad de 'Helm' ni la capacidad de muchos foreros que nos dan su aportación.

Cuando digo gestión profesional no me refiero precisamente a "banca privada".

No nos hagamos ilusiones, que por mucho aprendizaje que tengamos en inversión, nunca accederemos a tener la mejor información sobre mercados y tendencias... y tampoco accederemos a según que productos que las agencias de inversión son las primeras en enterarse (y no únicamente me refiero a fondos ni a ETF's).


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Es que la valía profesional de esos banqueros privados que tu comentas podría ser más que discutible... no sería nada nuevo una entidad cualquiera ponga a unos cuantos 'vende cacerolas' al frente de su sección de banca privada.


Re: Criticad mi cartera

Gracias Faustob

Yo también llevo relativamente poco en esto, cuando lo de las punto com estaba en primero de teleco ;-)



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Gracias Rudered

Sí creo que se me estaba yendo la pinza, le daré una segunda pensada a lo de las emergentes.

Pues la RF cubierta y la RV si es en € en € y si es en $ en $ salvo el Amundi que es cubierto también. No he echado cuentas pero será casi un 50/50.

EL MS es bastante parecido al Yacktman, además cerraron la clase barata hace unos meses, o por lo menos eso tengo entendido. Pero vamos, tampoco me entusiasma.

De gestión alternativa estuve mirando un long/short, he analizado alguna propuesta concreta de capital riesgo y de vez en cuando voy a reuniones de Business Angels... pero de momento no me ha convencido nada.

Mis primeras 15 posiciones, aunque lo interesante aquí yo creo que es el precio de entrada:
National Oilwell Varco
Waters Corp
St Jude Medical
Emerson Electric
Dover Corp
MC Donalds
Rio Tinto
United Technologies
Zimmer Holdings
Varian Medical Systems



Re: Criticad mi cartera

Hola, toda la razón, en realidad son más comerciales que técnicos, saludos


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Aprovecho y posteo lo siguientes 2 párrafos de la carta Buffett a sus accionistas, creo que es una lectura imprescindible:

Investing is often described as the process of laying out money now in the expectation of receiving
more money in the future. At Berkshire we take a more demanding approach, defining investing as the transfer to
others of purchasing power now with the reasoned expectation of receiving more purchasing power – after taxes
have been paid on nominal gains – in the future. More succinctly, investing is forgoing consumption now in
order to have the ability to consume more at a later date.
From our definition there flows an important corollary: The riskiness of an investment is not measured
by beta (a Wall Street term encompassing volatility and often used in measuring risk) but rather by the
probability – the reasoned probability – of that investment causing its owner a loss of purchasing-power over his
contemplated holding period. Assets can fluctuate greatly in price and not be risky as long as they are reasonably
certain to deliver increased purchasing power over their holding period. And as we will see, a non-fluctuating
asset can be laden with risk.
Investment possibilities are both many and varied. There are three major categories, however, and it’s
important to understand the characteristics of each. So let’s survey the field.
• Investments that are denominated in a given currency include money-market funds, bonds, mortgages,
bank deposits, and other instruments. Most of these currency-based investments are thought of as “safe.”
In truth they are among the most dangerous of assets. Their beta may be zero, but their risk is huge.
Over the past century these instruments have destroyed the purchasing power of investors in many
countries, even as the holders continued to receive timely payments of interest and principal. This ugly
result, moreover, will forever recur. Governments determine the ultimate value of money, and systemic
forces will sometimes cause them to gravitate to policies that produce inflation. From time to time such
policies spin out of control.
Even in the U.S., where the wish for a stable currency is strong, the dollar has fallen a staggering 86%
in value since 1965, when I took over management of Berkshire. It takes no less than $7 today to buy
what $1 did at that time. Consequently, a tax-free institution would have needed 4.3% interest annually
from bond investments over that period to simply maintain its purchasing power. Its managers would
have been kidding themselves if they thought of any portion of that interest as “income.”
For tax-paying investors like you and me, the picture has been far worse. During the same 47-year
period, continuous rolling of U.S. Treasury bills produced 5.7% annually. That sounds satisfactory. But
if an individual investor paid personal income taxes at a rate averaging 25%, this 5.7% return would
have yielded nothing in the way of real income. This investor’s visible income tax would have stripped
him of 1.4 points of the stated yield, and the invisible inflation tax would have devoured the remaining
4.3 points. It’s noteworthy that the implicit inflation “tax” was more than triple the explicit income tax
that our investor probably thought of as his main burden. “In God We Trust” may be imprinted on our
currency, but the hand that activates our government’s printing press has been all too human.
High interest rates, of course, can compensate purchasers for the inflation risk they face with currency-based
investments – and indeed, rates in the early 1980s did that job nicely. Current rates, however, do not come
close to offsetting the purchasing-power risk that investors assume. Right now bonds should come with a
warning label.
Under today’s conditions, therefore, I do not like currency-based investments. Even so, Berkshire holds
significant amounts of them, primarily of the short-term variety. At Berkshire the need for ample
liquidity occupies center stage and will never be slighted, however inadequate rates may be.
Accommodating this need, we primarily hold U.S. Treasury bills, the only investment that can be
counted on for liquidity under the most chaotic of economic conditions. Our working level for liquidity
is $20 billion; $10 billion is our absolute minimum.
Beyond the requirements that liquidity and regulators impose on us, we will purchase currency-related
securities only if they offer the possibility of unusual gain – either because a particular credit is
mispriced, as can occur in periodic junk-bond debacles, or because rates rise to a level that offers the
possibility of realizing substantial capital gains on high-grade bonds when rates fall. Though we’ve
exploited both opportunities in the past – and may do so again – we are now 180 degrees removed from
such prospects. Today, a wry comment that Wall Streeter Shelby Cullom Davis made long ago seems
apt: “Bonds promoted as offering risk-free returns are now priced to deliver return-free risk.”
• The second major category of investments involves assets that will never produce anything, but that are
purchased in the buyer’s hope that someone else – who also knows that the assets will be forever
unproductive – will pay more for them in the future. Tulips, of all things, briefly became a favorite of
such buyers in the 17th century.
This type of investment requires an expanding pool of buyers, who, in turn, are enticed because they
believe the buying pool will expand still further. Owners are not inspired by what the asset itself can
produce – it will remain lifeless forever – but rather by the belief that others will desire it even more
avidly in the future.
The major asset in this category is gold, currently a huge favorite of investors who fear almost all other
assets, especially paper money (of whose value, as noted, they are right to be fearful). Gold, however,
has two significant shortcomings, being neither of much use nor procreative. True, gold has some
industrial and decorative utility, but the demand for these purposes is both limited and incapable of
soaking up new production. Meanwhile, if you own one ounce of gold for an eternity, you will still
own one ounce at its end.
What motivates most gold purchasers is their belief that the ranks of the fearful will grow. During the
past decade that belief has proved correct. Beyond that, the rising price has on its own generated
additional buying enthusiasm, attracting purchasers who see the rise as validating an investment thesis.
As “bandwagon” investors join any party, they create their own truth – for a while.
Over the past 15 years, both Internet stocks and houses have demonstrated the extraordinary excesses
that can be created by combining an initially sensible thesis with well-publicized rising prices. In these
bubbles, an army of originally skeptical investors succumbed to the “proof” delivered by the market,
and the pool of buyers – for a time – expanded sufficiently to keep the bandwagon rolling. But bubbles
blown large enough inevitably pop. And then the old proverb is confirmed once again: “What the wise
man does in the beginning, the fool does in the end.”
Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons. If all of this gold were melded together, it
would form a cube of about 68 feet per side. (Picture it fitting comfortably within a baseball infield.) At
$1,750 per ounce – gold’s price as I write this – its value would be $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A.
Let’s now create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland (400
million acres with output of about $200 billion annually), plus 16 Exxon Mobils (the world’s most
profitable company, one earning more than $40 billion annually). After these purchases, we would
have about $1 trillion left over for walking-around money (no sense feeling strapped after this buying
binge). Can you imagine an investor with $9.6 trillion selecting pile A over pile B?
Beyond the staggering valuation given the existing stock of gold, current prices make today’s annual
production of gold command about $160 billion. Buyers – whether jewelry and industrial users,
frightened individuals, or speculators – must continually absorb this additional supply to merely
maintain an equilibrium at present prices.
A century from now the 400 million acres of farmland will have produced staggering amounts of corn,
wheat, cotton, and other crops – and will continue to produce that valuable bounty, whatever the
currency may be. Exxon Mobil will probably have delivered trillions of dollars in dividends to its
owners and will also hold assets worth many more trillions (and, remember, you get 16 Exxons). The
170,000 tons of gold will be unchanged in size and still incapable of producing anything. You can
fondle the cube, but it will not respond.
Admittedly, when people a century from now are fearful, it’s likely many will still rush to gold. I’m
confident, however, that the $9.6 trillion current valuation of pile A will compound over the century at
a rate far inferior to that achieved by pile B.
• Our first two categories enjoy maximum popularity at peaks of fear: Terror over economic collapse
drives individuals to currency-based assets, most particularly U.S. obligations, and fear of currency
collapse fosters movement to sterile assets such as gold. We heard “cash is king” in late 2008, just
when cash should have been deployed rather than held. Similarly, we heard “cash is trash” in the early
1980s just when fixed-dollar investments were at their most attractive level in memory. On those
occasions, investors who required a supportive crowd paid dearly for that comfort.
My own preference – and you knew this was coming – is our third category: investment in productive
assets, whether businesses, farms, or real estate. Ideally, these assets should have the ability in
inflationary times to deliver output that will retain its purchasing-power value while requiring a
minimum of new capital investment. Farms, real estate, and many businesses such as Coca-Cola, IBM
and our own See’s Candy meet that double-barreled test. Certain other companies – think of our
regulated utilities, for example – fail it because inflation places heavy capital requirements on them. To
earn more, their owners must invest more. Even so, these investments will remain superior to
nonproductive or currency-based assets.
Whether the currency a century from now is based on gold, seashells, shark teeth, or a piece of paper
(as today), people will be willing to exchange a couple of minutes of their daily labor for a Coca-Cola
or some See’s peanut brittle. In the future the U.S. population will move more goods, consume more
food, and require more living space than it does now. People will forever exchange what they produce
for what others produce.
Our country’s businesses will continue to efficiently deliver goods and services wanted by our citizens.
Metaphorically, these commercial “cows” will live for centuries and give ever greater quantities of “milk”
to boot. Their value will be determined not by the medium of exchange but rather by their capacity to
deliver milk. Proceeds from the sale of the milk will compound for the owners of the cows, just as they
did during the 20th century when the Dow increased from 66 to 11,497 (and paid loads of dividends as
well). Berkshire’s goal will be to increase its ownership of first-class businesses. Our first choice will be
to own them in their entirety – but we will also be owners by way of holding sizable amounts of
marketable stocks. I believe that over any extended period of time this category of investing will prove to
be the runaway winner among the three we’ve examined. More important, it will be by far the safest.


Re: Criticad mi cartera

"de vez en cuando voy a reuniones de Business Angels... pero de momento no me ha convencido nada."

Tienes que dejar ese tipo de reuniones e ir a las de los Hells Angels, seguramente serán más productivas.

En tu cartera de fondos te faltan ETF's, a fin de cuentas ya sabes que no se puede batir al mercado, con 25 ETF's para empezar a diversificar tendrías bastante, incluye el Total stock market, el Total eafe, el Worldwide ETF y el Universe vía Lactum ETF, este sería tu core con unas 140000 acciones, por cierto cubre todas las divisas, especialmente el euro.

Sobretodo no te olvides de rebalancear, es decir si un ETF va bien a final de año lo vendes y pagas impuestos y comisiones, no sea que te de por batir al mercado.

En tu cartera de acciones, te faltan bancos, personalmente eliminaría Medtronic (es un after-hours?), JNJ, Stryker y Derbi Variant a cambio de Bankia, Populart y Banc Sabadell que por potencial y solvencia podrían ser la base de cualquier cartera medianamente seria, añadiría algo de de telecos, por ej Jazztel y quizás un ETF Telecos.

Además sospecho que no has pedido consejo a tu banco, los directores de agencia son gente con estudios que antepondrán tus intereses a los suyos (o era al revés?), en fin que vas directo al infierno value.

Juarls juarls, más en serio tienes un pedazo cartera de fondos y acciones acojonante, yo en emergentes sobreponderaría Vontobelius porqué son molones, por otra parte Bestinver, Oakmark y Yacktman tío, son lo mejor de lo mejor, que te voy a decir que no sepas.

Davis Funds está disponible en Renta 4, pero creo que en USA ya estás fuertemente posicionado.

Me sorprendes con Rio Bravo y Total tinto, muy value, se salen un poco de tu radar high quality value.

Take care y descansa tranquilo, te vas a reir mucho de aquí unos años.

Un abrazo,


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